Just a quick note: This brief is already way larger than the space we have available. I know that’s kind of the point, but people should be aware. For example, a 2-bench wood workshop including all the tools as specced would take up about half the phase 2 space, maybe more.
Isn’t the idea that we put it all in here, then get realistic later?
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Yeah for sure. Just keep expectations realistic 
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I don’t think that the numbers for the area are very realistic , the metal working would only take a small bench , we are not doing fabrication , also for woodwork we are going to have to be expeadent and if we put the waĺl up at the 50% point preferably with a step in it for improving the sound problems the people will build the best workshop possible in the space.
Ps i don’t think we will have the wall space for to meay shadow bords .
And i would love a cnc mill but not if it is at the expense of a table saw .
A woodshop needs a tablesaw its mandatory. And big ones are safer
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I agree with Joe about the tablesaw! A proper one can do almost any cut you need in the shop whit just a couple of blades and jigs. And more important the risk is kept at the possible minimum, good quality means less wobbling, more safety measures already builded into the saw (e.g. depth adjusting blade).
Also, and more important, I think that if the woodworking shop has to be used also by inexperienced people, the look of a big, heavy, noisy machine discourage a lot the unsafe use!
The “table saw” that we have now looks like a toy but is more deadly than a real one!
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I agree about a good quality table saw. My point is that you can do pretty much the same cuts with a plunge saw/rail combo, but it takes up a fraction of the space. Site workers use them for very high grade fitting work, plus you can cut sections out of the middle of things too!
So the ‘need’ here might be ‘straight cuts in timber’
This can be done by both tools excellently.
should everyone bullet point what they would like out of phase two? and then do we discuss from there?
we know we need the laser cutter in there right?
If so, I would like, in order of importance
laser cutter
woodworking area…two benches seems good, table saw, drill press
one light metal work area, drill press, vice, bench, ideally a cnc mill
area for painting, spray painting, gluing (i guess this is a dirty area)
-we can use shadow boards, and if we have access to the snug some lesser used bulky tools could be stored in there?
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That’s what the brief is for: Phase II design brief - edit me! 
Yes, add it if it isn’t there. When it’s all in at the end of seven days we’ll have the opportunity to look at priorities
yeah, i read the brief, its just we are already veering onto a discussion, whereas i was under the impression from the brief that this stage was a data collection excercise and not data analysis.
ie we just need to submit out wishlists as quickly as we can and not get bogged down in discussing the merits of each others wishlists??
emoticons make my eyes bleed and sanity leak
That’s the idea. Get all the Wants down first, then whittle it down to what’s possible, rather than an endless back and forth over each item.
i’d like to append, some storage space/system/culture to allow at least soem storage for some people for some time, possible, maybe not?
Its already in there 
i saw that, but isnt the aim for everyone to put down their specific wants, then we cross reference during discussion part? have i missed the point of this?
insert emotional face here
i guess what im talking about is the rocess to achieve consenus,
i thought it was…
everyone states wants (without much/any discussion)
Everyone then reads everyones elses wishlists? discuss, should be obvious then if there is strong consensus for some things, very little for other things.
We agree wishlist/vote on it.
then we discuss practicalities, and implement plan?
Wouldst it not work well if all ideas are put down first without duplication, then some sort of voting/priority system is applied after?
No idea why ‘wouldst’ is in my phone’s dictionary…
Collection of wants is just that, with no weighting. Second step is prioritising them, via votes if need be.
im just thinking of simplicity at this stage
to maximise participation i think people, especially people who are not active on here, would rather submit a wishlist rather then read the thread and then just add what they feel is missing
i’m wary of threads at this point even though i know i fill them out as much as anyone