Guitar Building and Maintenance Group

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Hi all,

I’m new to the space, but there is a bit of interest in starting a guitar building and maintenance group, and I figured I’d start this thread to gauge interest/numbers and, with your help, bring the idea more into focus.

To the more senior members/directors:

As I’m (very) new to the space, I don’t wish to presume anything about setting up groups here. If there’s anything I need to do, or processes to follow, please do let me know. I’ll certainly need some guidance on the section on tools below.

About the Group

  • The group would meet regularly (see below for meeting frequency) in the makerspace to share ideas and techniques, and help out with each other’s designs and builds. It should be a positive space, but one where constructive criticism is welcomed.

  • It would be good for the group to encompass all instruments associated with luthiery (acoustic/classical guitars, electric guitars, cigar-box guitars, violins/violas and their ilk, mandolins, etc.). There are a lot of shared techniques and skills between these instruments.

  • We would share knowledge about building, designing, and repairing these instruments (including where we’ve gone wrong!), as well as their upkeep (think fretting, fret crowning and polishing, instrument care, nut-slotting, set-up, etc.).

  • If this group materialises and becomes a regular thing, it would be great to approach some local luthiers to come along to one of our meetings to share their knowledge.

  • If members feel particularly skilled at a certain aspect of luthiery, we should encourage “knowledge sharing” sessions (open to all makerspace members, not just those in this group), where they show/share stories, skills, and techniques related to luthiery.

Considerations

  • Safety is at the top of the list. While general maintenance doesn’t generally involve doing anything too dangerous (apart from maybe a string to the eye), building guitars certainly does if one uses machines like the planer/thicknesser, table-saw, etc. We would aim to promote and enforce best practices when using machinery, and as such I’d like to suggest that anyone wishing to join the group would have to have completed the Wood Workshop Induction.
    As a group we should offer assistance when others are using the more formidable of the machines in the space. Just like gym buddies, but with a lot more dust.

  • Frequency of meetings/member availability.
    We should try to accommodate member’s different schedules as best as we can whilst maintaining regularity between meeting dates. Once a week could be too often for everyone to attend, whereas meetings once a month or bi-monthly could be too far apart. A balance will have to be found.

  • Cleanliness.
    This is less specific to the group, but since there’s a high chance we would be making dust, we will place a strong emphasis on keeping the space clean and tidy, leaving the tools and spaces we use in a better condition than when we came to them.

Tools

This could be a sensitive area, so any input from @joeatkin2 and other woodtechs would be very welcome. I certainly don’t wish to stand on any toes here, and will defer decisions regarding tools to more senior members of the space.

With that said, luthiery can require quite specialist tools and it would not be fair to ask the makerspace to provide them. We need to put in as much as we would like to get out of the space, so any specialist tools would have be provided by members. I’m aware that bringing in ones own tools to the space isn’t ideal for various reasons, so I’d really like some input here. I can’t yet see a reason to bring in powered machinery as the well-stocked woodshop already provides what would be needed.

I personally have quite a few that would be handy (small things such as files/rasps, radius gauges, some fretting tools, straight-edges, etc.), and would be willing to bring them along to meetings for others to use (providing such a practice would be acceptable to the woodtechs/directors).

Getting Involved

Since the group is nothing more than an idea at the moment, suggestions and guidance is more than welcome. If there is interest, then let’s flesh out this idea together and see where we end up.

You only need to have an interest in this to get involved - no previous luthiery experience is necessary. We will learn and progress together, and maybe there are some more experienced luthiers here that would be willing to spend time with us and share their knowledge. I’d like to create an inclusive and friendly little group, so if you’re interested, just shout below.

Look forward to all your ideas, criticism, and suggestions,
Luke.

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If you have been inducted to a tool it doesn’t matter what you are making.

For my part I would welcome a group of people who would require the kit to be in good condition

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Sounds great, the only bit that might be an issue is having a large group wanting to use the wood working tools.

We used to have a wood working group but it was shut down because of safety concerns with large groups.

The wood techs have said the room is only durable for 3 people at a time.

Everything else seems very positive though.

As for your comment about processes. Looks like you’ve hit the nail on the head. Makerspace is about groups of members starting a thing.

I’ve got a couple of guitars i’ld like to try and fix

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I think it is a great idea, space is a premium unfortunately,
But the groups regular meeting times (weekly, monthly, fortnightly) could be more of a “show and tell” of each ones progress and techniques in the clean room.

Much like the electronics night on Thursdays, and if a practical demonstration is required then it wouldn’t be an isssue if all of the group move into the workshop to watch ones technique.

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@unknowndomain Good point. I’d not considered the issue re. space. I think @lewisss’s idea re. the group being primarily a “show and tell” is a good solution to this. It’ll allow us to use the clean area, which in hindsight is much more suitable to group meetings.

Taking on the “show and tell” format would still give ample opportunity for discussion of builds/designs and sharing of progress, ideas, and techniques, too. And like you said, Mark, demonstrations could be easily worked into it every now and again. I don’t think we’d be losing anything by doing this, especially as general guitar maintenance, and quite a few of the stages of building a guitar/stringed instrument, won’t require use of the woodshop, and could be done elsewhere (with due thought given to potential noise, of course).

Yep, I’m liking this idea. How often do people think the meetings should happen?

@unknowndomain Am I able to create a group of users here on discourse, like the @ woodtech's group? Unless there is a better way to keep track of a group’s members?

Yes we can make a group, @luthiers and one of you can be the “owner” (ie can add and remove people).

Or make it an open group

Hi! I’d be interested in this!

I like the idea of an @luthiers group, and an open group would be even better.

@hannahintech, @boldaslove, @lewisss, @peter_hellyer: What evenings are you free? Let’s try to get a date in the calendar for the first meet.

If I’ve left anyone out, let me know. @Geo: I wasn’t sure if you were interested in this, but just in case you are, I’m tagging you here.

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I could be free most evenings, althoughThursday is the electronics night. Not sure if that makes Thursday a bad night to plan another group on or not!

https://discourse.southlondonmakerspace.org/groups/luthiers

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I’m really interested in this!
I’m really busy as well but I’ll try to be regular! :slight_smile:

There’s a whole load of different tasks involved in this. Could it be that much of the gluing/clamping can be done in the clean room – it’s dusty work that needs to be kept in the woodshop.

I think my book on building an acoustic guitar might be in the bookshelf in the social area: it’s got a good approach to to essential and ‘nice to have’ tools IIRC.

Cheers @tomnewsom! It’s now “official” :smiley:

@Dermot Exactly what I was thinking. Your book sounds like it’ll be very handy to have around, thanks!

Yep, probably a good idea not to have it on the same night as the electronics group, though there could sometimes be a fair bit of crossover with them re. wiring, soldering, etc.

Is anything happening with this group? I’m still interested! Chatted with @Howard about making guitars on Thursday. I just strung(?!) my guitar, I’d never done it before. It was quite an unpleasant experience at first but I persevered! I have a terrible tendency towards perfectionism and it wasn’t neat enough for me… I also read about 5 different ways to string a guitar and became rather frustrated! I have a feeling the strings are not very well strung. I would love to meet others doing guitar related stuff to learn more! Here’s an image of my first stringing attempt :smile:

Yes! I’ve been away so haven’t managed to organise our first meeting yet.

How about Tuesdays? Apart from the odd social and members evenings, it’s a fairly free day in the calendar.

And your first stringing attempt is good! I remember reading tonnes of ways to do it when I first tried, too, and I’ve settled on what I think is a fairly good way of doing it. I’ll show you in our first meeting.

You probably know this, but just in case you don’t: don’t forget to stretch your new strings! They tend to slacken off a bit as they get used to being under tension, and so if you stretch them after putting them on (carefully, of course) the tuning should be more stable.

@luthiers: Apologies for the lack of contact recently, have been out of the country. What do you all think to meeting on Tuesday evenings? Say 7:30pm? Hopefully this will give people enough time to get to the space after work.

Is it too short notice for everyone to do this Tuesday (30th May)?