Battons procedure

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we/they came up with a super quick pipeline for getting the battens up.
Nothing genius, just a few little things strung together.
Note, we are looking to reuse the battens behind the existing old lining thats there.
This old lining needs to be taken down, leave battens if they are secure.

you will need:

Drill press
SDS drill/extension lead (drill chuck on this not the best, needs tightening every so often)
Cordless drill screwdriver
hammer
appropriate sized screws, plugs drill bits
safety googles

two people on scaffold towers
optional extra person on drill press, saves time

0:Remove anything in the brickwork or hammer in, so it won’t interfere with battens or lining

1:We are drilling the holes through the battens, using the drill press. Holes are about seven or eight to the batten, one near each end.

2:Lift batten up to roof, hold in place manually. Use reg drill to mark roof at one end through batten.
We are lining the battens up so they have the smallest chance of hitting mortar. So the long edge of
the batten should run just beside a long mortar joint but not on it, see previous battens for example.

3:remove batten, use SDS drill to drill brick, insert wall plug, replace batten and screw one end into roof, do
same for middle and other end, wall plugs can be inserted straight into brick since batten is flexible and cant be flexed out of way. The holes should be nearer one, or either edge of the batten, this allows us to put the screw holding the lining onto the batten in the center of the batten and not hit the the screws holding the battens into the wall

4: after start middle and end screws, screwed through the batten, into the wall plugs/brick, batten is now in place.
Remaining holes in bricks can be drilled through the remaining empty holes in the battens.
We put a bit of tape on the drill bit of the SDS drill we were using cos its easy to drill to far into the brick behind batten

5:To get the wall plugs into the bricks behind the batten, just insert wall plug into batten, tap in with hammer, so
the wall plug is flush with the surface of batten, then insert screw into the wall plug and tap the screw so the
wall plug is pushed into the hole in the brick.

6: screw in

@peter_hellyer change if u think the wording is bad, or if missing info

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Good stuff. What about placing/spacing of the battens, any guidelines for that?

Fixings need to go into brick rather than mortar. That was worked out in the pre-drilling last time, but meant twice as many holes done on drill press, but ensured all fixings were into brick.

Also: @andrew_d 's great solution to the problem of lining screws not hitting battening screws is to put the battening screws closer on one edge of the batten. this was so that accurate marking would allow for lining screws to fix centrally/slightly to opposite edge of batten, and dispensed in one fell swoop with the brain-twisting, but ingenious ‘batten template’ system we used last time.

I noticed some battens had the screws zig-zagged on opposing edges. This might undermine Andrew’s solution, or have you already been through this?

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Important info here:

https://discourse.southlondonmakerspace.org/t/lining-wiki-lets-pool-lining-knowledge-here/895

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The zig zag means that the middle is always clear for the lineing . With is put up with a string of leds on a stick.

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I don’t understand, do I need to?

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it strikes me that we could do with setting up a wiki? Instructions get sort of lost in the threads. Also, maybe alot more photos would be better then words, what do u think?

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It’s pinned to the top of Construction

https://discourse.southlondonmakerspace.org/t/lining-wiki-lets-pool-lining-knowledge-here/895

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that looks to very similar to a thread, our thread, and has a thread in there as well.

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If you offoet the holes it means that you have to hit the centre of the battan . If you put a leds on a sick and put it behind the lining it makes it very easy and quick to hit the centre of the batan

It was Andrews ideal

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If someone has time to go through the thread below the Wiki and put any relevant info into the main wiki then we can remove the thread and close comments, so that it becomes a proper wiki.

May be worth it?

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im going to create a new thread to ask some questions about wiki’s

I’ve made this into a Wiki. Hope that’s okay? - Dermot

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Zigzagging done just optimises the fixing to the wall slightly. They should still be off centre though, leaving space for the main bolts to go in well. I’ll make a jig for the led method at the weekend, but the long and the short of it is, leds either side of the batton makes the location of the batton obvious, and then screws can go in dead centre.

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The LEDs sound interesting…

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we shall have to see how effective they are, but would be a really neat solution to a boring problem if they do.

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What is the problem it solves?

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If I understand it right, the PVC is slightly transparent. If you shine bright light either side of teh batten, you can see its shadow and drill straight into it. No mucking around with string.
(but some mucking around with LEDs instead)

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The Russians used a pencil…

We just marked the centre line with pencil at each end, then used a long level to draw a mark for each screw.

EDIT: the string was only for the batten run at the apex: made sure it was straight, then all other lines of battens measured out from that. Didn’t allow for the ‘surprise’ change in shape of the front end of the arch…

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When you put the leds in its just easy i think Andrew just invented a better pencil

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The ‘I don’t know where the batton is, or where to drill into that sucker’ problem.

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The difficult bits were the fixings between the upright panels and the curved panels coming down. There were a few misses there IIRC…